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Pandora? What about Last.fm?

Fred Oliveira on August 29, 2005

So part of the blogosphere is raving about Pandora. I guess I always get the “so what?” feeling when I see a web-app emerging that’s doing the same thing as one before. What I mean is, how is this any better than Last.fm?

Now before you email me the obvious “oh-my-god you are clueless burn in hell” emails, let me clarify. I know Pandora and Last.fm work very differently. I also understand that it is interesting how Pandora finds new songs for you to listen based on what you’ve heard before. But if you’ve been using the (very recently redesigned) audioscrobbler/last.fm, you’ve seen this already. Ages ago, too. This doesn’t clarify much, let me get into the details:

How pandora works

Pandora Pandora works by finding out relevant tracks close to your tastes by analizing proprieties of the songs you like and getting you new ones that share the same proprieties. So if a song is calm and moody and you like it, pandora thinks you’ll like more calm and moody songs - and sends them your way. Okay, but what if I am a “kind of band” / attitude person? I mean, most people are. It will keep me around the same “calm and moody” song type for as long as it can.

I know you’ll listen to a lot of songs you’ll probably like. Because if you like the attributes of a song and you identify yourself with them, you will probably like similar songs. Correct, I’ll give you that.

How last.fm works

Pandora Last.fm goes through your musical taste and gets people that share all the kinds of stuff you listen to with you. And from all those guys, finds the most suitable bands or songs to play to you because people with similar tastes like them. This means with more people, the more knowledgeable the system is and the easiest it is to play tracks you’ll like.

The system learns and collects data from what you listen to, in order to be more informed of your musical tastes and continuously improve the knowledge base. Plus, you can track what your friends are listening to and get references from that too, because of the social network layer built into the system.

Comparing the two

Okay so which approach do you find the best? Personally, I quite like the latter. I like how I can get to last.fm, type a band I like (or not type any if the system already knows my musical tastes) and let it give me a suitable radio for me to listen to. Or, heck, forget the radio, just a list of what I’m probably going to like so I can buy/download/do whatever in my own pace.

Personally, I think last.fm came a bit too early and didn’t get all the hype new web applications are getting just because people like Scoble blog about them. But, for me, it is still the best musical service on the web today. In fact, if there’s something that makes me buy new music, it is Last.fm, not iTunes or Pandora, for example.

Now, let me give out some final notes. I don’t mean to bash Pandora, because I like how it works, I like how the application behaves (even though I don’t really like the looks), and I believe a little competition to last.fm in the musical discovery “business” is okay. But, well, it’s just not the better product. If it is going to get users? Well, yes, now that Scoble, Mike and everybody else are linking to it, but… That’s about it. Sorry.

I guess the best thing everybody should do is visit pandora and last.fm and take their own conclusions. Oh, and if you’re curious about my own taste in music, here’s a link to my last.fm profile.


Comments on this post

Levi

I’m with you on this one, I’m a huge Last.fm fan, ever since it was just Audioscrobbler. I like being able to link people to my profile so they can see what music I like, and I love finding new bands to listen to.

Last.fm all the way!

vucabei

Don’t worry, it will die a quick death. Why? No one will pay for such a service, IMO.

jacob harvey

Totally agree with your assesment that last.fm is better in general. I preferred the Audioscrobbler name though.

Ben

I’m biased in this cause I work for a recommendations company and have two patents in this area. We often get quizzed over which approach is better and from a user’s point of view it is often 1/2 dozen of one, six of the other. Some people prefer some ways and some others.

The interesting point comes when you look at how the approaches “scale”, not in volume of users but in types and quantity of content. A manual genomics approach like Savage Beast take requires the content to be manually assessed which in turn requires a) the attributes to be defined and b) human experts to rate/allocate the attributes. The algorithmic approach can scale nont only for larger content sets but also across content types.

So while some users may like one approach and some others, it is also interesting to look at whether the approaches can scale to see if the resulting service is a feature or a business.

Personally, I don’t use either service as I’m not one for sitting through entire songs…much to my wife’s hatred I’m a listen to 10 secs and if I don’t like it click to the next one. I find most of my “new” music through sampling iTunes iMixes.

Fred

Ben, awesome comment.

One of the exact reasons why I don’t like Pandora’s approach is because content is added to the engine manually, by going through the tracks and “tagging” them with attributes that define its musical style.

This makes it so that if I type something non-existant yet, the system will give me nothing and choke (yesterday I tried this on pandora with a query on MeWithoutYou).

From a users perspective, I can understand how opinions get divided. Some people like the pandora approach that’s nothing more than a lazlo-powered application, some people may like the social-network extra on last.fm.

Ultimately, though, the system isn’t going to do much for the users if it isn’t constantly fresh and updated, something that due to the mechanics of both systems, is much easier on last.fm.

TechCrunch » Profile - Last.fm

[...] A lot else could be said about Last.fm because I’m one of those guys who’s completely in love with the system but there’s nothing like the joy of discovery, so I’m going to leave it to you to click this link and explore it yourself. People who are curious about the architectural diferences between Last.fm and Pandora can read this post on my personal blog, that talks about just that. And if you’re really curious, you can check out my own profile up at Last.fm. Tags: techcrunch, lastfm, pandora, socialnetworks, music, web2.0 Categories: Company & Product Profiles | Bookmark this post with del.icio.us [...]

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