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	<description>A blog on entrepreneurship, user experience, and web innovation. Published by Fred Oliveira.</description>
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		<title>By: Webreakstuff &#187; More on facebook</title>
		<link>http://blog.webreakstuff.com/2007/07/on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-41188</link>
		<dc:creator>Webreakstuff &#187; More on facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] month and a half ago I wrote a post called &#8220;Facebook is a scary beast&#8221; and highlighted how despite the flexibility in its API and the (only) apparent openness, it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Martin Pilote &#187; En vrac&#8230;en vacances</title>
		<link>http://blog.webreakstuff.com/2007/07/on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-41113</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Pilote &#187; En vrac&#8230;en vacances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] avec le lien prÃƒÂ©cÃƒÂ©dent&#8230; certains blogueurs ont une vision diffÃƒÂ©rente de Facebook&#8230; qui ne me laisse pas indiffÃƒÂ©rent  Ãƒâ‚¬ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] avec le lien prÃƒÂ©cÃƒÂ©dent&#8230; certains blogueurs ont une vision diffÃƒÂ©rente de Facebook&#8230; qui ne me laisse pas indiffÃƒÂ©rent  Ãƒâ‚¬ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
		<link>http://blog.webreakstuff.com/2007/07/on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-41111</link>
		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry fred... have to completely disagree with you on this one.

walled garden or no, there are 3 reasons Facebook Platform kicks ass:
  1) the app dev infrastructure on Facebook is pretty darn good, and makes it very very easy to develop &amp; deploy apps
  2) the social graph gives you a ton of info via the Facebook API you can&#039;t get anywhere else (at least until MySpace or LinkedIn have an API), &amp;
  3) the distribution opportunities via the FB newsfeed &amp; messaging environment are tremendous, and are currently unparalleled

furthermore, FB is *not* a walled garden, since the API is actually accessible outside the FB network as well.  FB authentication on normal websites is an accessible service that provides a ready-to-go identity system usable pretty much anywhere.  this was available *before* the Platform launch, and is still accessible.  it uses a proprietary identity &amp; hosting system, but that&#039;s no different than Google, Microsoft, or Yahoo.  &#039;open&#039; is as open does.

my thoughts on these topics are laid out in further gory detail in this post &amp; comment &amp; several others:
  http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2007/07/kottke-is-wrong.html#comment-76563560

regards,

- dave mcclure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry fred&#8230; have to completely disagree with you on this one.</p>
<p>walled garden or no, there are 3 reasons Facebook Platform kicks ass:<br />
  1) the app dev infrastructure on Facebook is pretty darn good, and makes it very very easy to develop &amp; deploy apps<br />
  2) the social graph gives you a ton of info via the Facebook API you can&#8217;t get anywhere else (at least until MySpace or LinkedIn have an API), &amp;<br />
  3) the distribution opportunities via the FB newsfeed &amp; messaging environment are tremendous, and are currently unparalleled</p>
<p>furthermore, FB is *not* a walled garden, since the API is actually accessible outside the FB network as well.  FB authentication on normal websites is an accessible service that provides a ready-to-go identity system usable pretty much anywhere.  this was available *before* the Platform launch, and is still accessible.  it uses a proprietary identity &amp; hosting system, but that&#8217;s no different than Google, Microsoft, or Yahoo.  &#8216;open&#8217; is as open does.</p>
<p>my thoughts on these topics are laid out in further gory detail in this post &amp; comment &amp; several others:<br />
  <a href="http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2007/07/kottke-is-wrong.html#comment-76563560" rel="nofollow">http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2007/07/kottke-is-wrong.html#comment-76563560</a></p>
<p>regards,</p>
<p>- dave mcclure</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.webreakstuff.com/2007/07/on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-41109</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a relatively new user to Facebook at 3-4 months and while I empathise with Will, it is great to be a part of the fun even if I&#039;m a bit late to the party.  

Facebook has provided a great place to have quick dialogue with indviduals and groups of individuals outside of email.  As form of interpersonal and group communication this seems to be a good thing.  

The addition of all the applications is a love hate thing for me.  I love it that I can quickly spread the word about something important to me or my  group, and that we can all vote and see results on our favorite topics, amongst some other pluses.  But seeing advertisements disguised as apps, particularly when they have no real functionality apart from taking you outside of FB to fill out a form is completely distasteful.  If the app is going to be in Fb it needs a communication or assistance function.

This won&#039;t be the case, however.  Thousands of companies will start pummeling Facebook with &#039;appli-spam&#039;.  However, I doubt that Facebook, given it&#039;s communication restraints will ever get completely spattered with garbage like MySpace.  Be thankful for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a relatively new user to Facebook at 3-4 months and while I empathise with Will, it is great to be a part of the fun even if I&#8217;m a bit late to the party.  </p>
<p>Facebook has provided a great place to have quick dialogue with indviduals and groups of individuals outside of email.  As form of interpersonal and group communication this seems to be a good thing.  </p>
<p>The addition of all the applications is a love hate thing for me.  I love it that I can quickly spread the word about something important to me or my  group, and that we can all vote and see results on our favorite topics, amongst some other pluses.  But seeing advertisements disguised as apps, particularly when they have no real functionality apart from taking you outside of FB to fill out a form is completely distasteful.  If the app is going to be in Fb it needs a communication or assistance function.</p>
<p>This won&#8217;t be the case, however.  Thousands of companies will start pummeling Facebook with &#8216;appli-spam&#8217;.  However, I doubt that Facebook, given it&#8217;s communication restraints will ever get completely spattered with garbage like MySpace.  Be thankful for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman Hines</title>
		<link>http://blog.webreakstuff.com/2007/07/on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-41106</link>
		<dc:creator>Coleman Hines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will - checkout: http://duggmirror.com//tech_news/2504_steps_to_closing_your_Facebook_account/plain.html

I have to say I completely agree with this &quot;Social object is the main thing the social network is about. Flickr has photos, Last.fm has music, 43Things has activities, Twitter has social statuses.&quot;

Just because &quot;everyone&quot; is on it, doesn&#039;t mean I need to be. Thats why I&#039;m using flickr &amp; last.fm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will &#8211; checkout: <a href="http://duggmirror.com//tech_news/2504_steps_to_closing_your_Facebook_account/plain.html" rel="nofollow">http://duggmirror.com//tech_news/2504_steps_to_closing_your_Facebook_account/plain.html</a></p>
<p>I have to say I completely agree with this &#8220;Social object is the main thing the social network is about. Flickr has photos, Last.fm has music, 43Things has activities, Twitter has social statuses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just because &#8220;everyone&#8221; is on it, doesn&#8217;t mean I need to be. Thats why I&#8217;m using flickr &amp; last.fm</p>
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		<title>By: Webreakstuff Ã‚Â» Facebook is a scary beast &#171; A Frog in the Valley Internet Stream Pulse</title>
		<link>http://blog.webreakstuff.com/2007/07/on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-41105</link>
		<dc:creator>Webreakstuff Ã‚Â» Facebook is a scary beast &#171; A Frog in the Valley Internet Stream Pulse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Robin</title>
		<link>http://blog.webreakstuff.com/2007/07/on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-41104</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Fred, I wrote up some comments on my site about the recent TechCrunch article (Could Facebook become the next Microsoft?) - see: http://www.mattrobin.com/article/34/facebook-the-next-microsoft

I think we both agree that the suggestion that Facebook could be the next [insert name of global software giant!] is sort of...well, a bit too crazy.
Right?  I like that you&#039;ve acknowledged Facebook&#039;s strengths too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Fred, I wrote up some comments on my site about the recent TechCrunch article (Could Facebook become the next Microsoft?) &#8211; see: <a href="http://www.mattrobin.com/article/34/facebook-the-next-microsoft" rel="nofollow">http://www.mattrobin.com/article/34/facebook-the-next-microsoft</a></p>
<p>I think we both agree that the suggestion that Facebook could be the next [insert name of global software giant!] is sort of&#8230;well, a bit too crazy.<br />
Right?  I like that you&#8217;ve acknowledged Facebook&#8217;s strengths too.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://blog.webreakstuff.com/2007/07/on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-41103</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE facebook... For a weird reason. Facebook is the ONLY online tool that pretty much EVERYONE I know is comfortable using. Most people think the ability to network online is a recent revolution. 

We make web software (www.planhq.com). Sometimes, it is hard convincing people to use the internet, now Facebook is helping people rave about web software.

baby steps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE facebook&#8230; For a weird reason. Facebook is the ONLY online tool that pretty much EVERYONE I know is comfortable using. Most people think the ability to network online is a recent revolution. </p>
<p>We make web software (www.planhq.com). Sometimes, it is hard convincing people to use the internet, now Facebook is helping people rave about web software.</p>
<p>baby steps!</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blog.webreakstuff.com/2007/07/on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-41102</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a college student, I miss the old facebook.  It was a privelage to incoming high schoolers to get their university email addresses and get to join.  I remember when I got out, it&#039;s all anyone talked about.  I took two years to actually join the trend, and ran into friends from as early as middle school.  For blunt straight forward contact with friends it was a great system.

Then it started to takeover the social aspects of life around me.  The phone would stop ringing, the party invites were not flyers anymore, and relationships were not real until the status on facebook had been updated. The amount of power it had gained in those two years was scary.

All of this, followed by the slow expansion. Next came the applications which the blogosphere was eating up.  I personally find the applications system intrusive into the aspects I knew and loved about facebook.  It&#039;s growth was at a scary rate, good for them, but bad for us.

Lots of criticism in the college level.  Well, I shouldn&#039;t say lots...but I go to journalism school and we have frequent discussions about it, the information they have collected and have power over.

I even tried to delete my account once, when I noticed friends parents getting on there, now even my step mom has an account.  The account doesn&#039;t even delete though. It just goes inactive, so all of your information is still there.

I can&#039;t say I am the biggest fan of the direction it&#039;s taking, but I&#039;ve been there since the beginning so it&#039;s a bit much to take in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a college student, I miss the old facebook.  It was a privelage to incoming high schoolers to get their university email addresses and get to join.  I remember when I got out, it&#8217;s all anyone talked about.  I took two years to actually join the trend, and ran into friends from as early as middle school.  For blunt straight forward contact with friends it was a great system.</p>
<p>Then it started to takeover the social aspects of life around me.  The phone would stop ringing, the party invites were not flyers anymore, and relationships were not real until the status on facebook had been updated. The amount of power it had gained in those two years was scary.</p>
<p>All of this, followed by the slow expansion. Next came the applications which the blogosphere was eating up.  I personally find the applications system intrusive into the aspects I knew and loved about facebook.  It&#8217;s growth was at a scary rate, good for them, but bad for us.</p>
<p>Lots of criticism in the college level.  Well, I shouldn&#8217;t say lots&#8230;but I go to journalism school and we have frequent discussions about it, the information they have collected and have power over.</p>
<p>I even tried to delete my account once, when I noticed friends parents getting on there, now even my step mom has an account.  The account doesn&#8217;t even delete though. It just goes inactive, so all of your information is still there.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I am the biggest fan of the direction it&#8217;s taking, but I&#8217;ve been there since the beginning so it&#8217;s a bit much to take in.</p>
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